exactly. Less injuries aswell. He got paid well in the WWE and was one of the best in the business and made a big mistake in leaving
New isn't always good... If it becomes Shelton-Kennedy, make that a Title-vs.-career match they both lose; There's a reason Sb was a last-minute PPV addition, & KK isn't there @ all.
Think I'll have a wank over these tomorrow.
The reason is time constraints not that they're not necessarily over.
They already had 7 matches on the card and not everyone can get on it.
Hell Kofi isn't even on the card and he's over as hell.
I certainly understand where you're coming from, as Benjamin and Kennedy aren't the most over of talent and both have ruined any semblance of a push they've received
but either way, every promotion needs enhancement talent in every division.
I don't think either will ever hold a world title (Maybe Kennedy if he gets over his recent bad luck), but I mean that's no reason to let them go.
Benjamin and Kennedy aren't the most over of talent and both have ruined any semblance of a push they've received
I'll agree with yours, if you agree it's also mine.[/qupte]I did later on in my post... QuoteObviously, but there are criteria they use to decide who does or doesn't make it. (Obviously, the Champ gets there due to the belt... But how did they pick a contender?)Criteria: You're either Batista or you just lost the championship. QuoteThat Champion was on Night Of Champions, tho.So was every other champion... QuoteThat's putting it mildly. Benjamin = Gone from Tag to singles, gold in both, all brands. Kennedy = Lots of fans told me he got worse moving from SD to Raw; I maintain it was due to film editing on his first brand, where he is now again. (Also won MITB, which he then lost during a temp. stop on the other brand.) I don't know whether you're agreeing with me or not? QuoteI'm not up on every word in the language, but I thought "enhance" was supposed to be making it better (which they only due for opponents, not their brand as a whole). In wrestling, enhancement talent is a glorified word for Jobbers.QuoteMy fingers are getting a little tired today; I'll just use your words.So I take it you agree with my general point?
Obviously, but there are criteria they use to decide who does or doesn't make it. (Obviously, the Champ gets there due to the belt... But how did they pick a contender?)
That Champion was on Night Of Champions, tho.
That's putting it mildly. Benjamin = Gone from Tag to singles, gold in both, all brands. Kennedy = Lots of fans told me he got worse moving from SD to Raw; I maintain it was due to film editing on his first brand, where he is now again. (Also won MITB, which he then lost during a temp. stop on the other brand.)
I'm not up on every word in the language, but I thought "enhance" was supposed to be making it better (which they only due for opponents, not their brand as a whole).
My fingers are getting a little tired today; I'll just use your words.
I did later on in my post...
Criteria: You're either Batista or you just lost the championship.
So was every other champion...
I don't know whether you're agreeing with me or not?
In wrestling, enhancement talent is a glorified word for Jobbers.
So I take it you agree with my general point?
Not where it could be seen. Not fair to Batista or the company, esp. when we're discussing what is obviously a midcard-@-best Title.
Matt wasn't in a match as I recall; Nor was SB.
You were right, but heavily understating it. Not in all cases. (Looking at "Raw 15" mag, Hardys are listed among jobbers... Look at them now, as it says in that mag.)
On the contrary, I was deciding not to waste my time debating when you contradicted your own statement.
Well I was generalizing to the rest of the belts.
Matt Hardy faced chavo at Night of Champions. As for Shelton, he wasn't, but there was already a reason to put chavo in a title match and there was only one other midcard title available to SD (the ECW title) and that was the monster match. So you couldn't really have Shelton in any other match anyway.
Well I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to, but the term "enhancement talent" is wrestling is used interchangeably with Jobbers.
But if you want to use the word "enhance" literally, it still "enhances" the brand or division to have wrestlers on there who aren't world champions.
You can't have an entire card of world champions, it just doesn't work that way.
You enhance your brand by filling in voids with the proper talent for each division. Everyone from Val Venis to Batista could be classified as an enhancement talent to a certain degree.
My original point was that Shelton/Hardy was added last minute not because either competitor isn't over, but because the bookers weren't certain whether there'd be time for the match so the put it off just in case. Good booking in my opinion, as opposed to rushing the card and ending up with a short and pointless match if there wasn't time. I then proceed to say that they're not the most over of talent, which isn't a contradiction to the point where I say that a late addition match doesn't mean that they aren't over, just that they aren't as over as the main eventers... which is obvious, since they aren't main eventing. So I'd love for you to attempt to point out a contradiction.
Benjamin & Kennedy aren't the most over of talent, & both have ruined any semblance of a push they've recieved.
I don't think either will ever hold a world title (Maybe Kennedy if he gets pver his recent bad luck), but I mean that's no reason to let them go.
But then make it a point to give, explain, & expect specifics on that belt (it seems), & certainly on many wrestlers...
Could've had this exact match booked at NoC... Chavo was only in any Title hunt, as I recall, due to his connections to La Familia, which was an SD HW Title-related storyline. If it's about the Titles available to each brand, I'd believe Edge was defending his, so put Shelton in a Title match, & let Edge's match takle care of his storyline (which no doubt also included his belt/belt run, etc.).
It can be used for other reasons, or you can use "jobbers" & other words/phrases.
(Much like Trump hasn't got rights to "you're fired"
, wrestling as a biz/industry doesn't have rights to the definitions or usage of a word or phrase.)
Not if the wrestlers aren't even decent enough to deserve a career in 1 of the bigger companies.
Non-wrestling math: Adding negatives doesn't make the result more-positive.
Then why were we just discussing a "Night Of Champions" that appears to be a yearly event by the same company annually?
True; But note your use of the word "proper"... Guys like KK do not properly enhance any show they're on (yet, that I've seen).
You asked for it? You got it. You first said, After which you said, So I was saying that 1 cancels the other out; If the latter isn't enough of a reason to let them go, WWE can use the fact that they aren't the most over of talent, & have ruined/misused most (if not all) pushes they've been given.
Regardless of who should've been in the US title match at NoC, Chavo was, because he had storylines to tie-up (la Familia stuff) & Shelton was on Smackdown for a whopping 6 days & only 1 taping. So ya that wouldn't make sense.
Nope, enhancement talent is the word used for filler/jobber talent in wrestling, & not much else.
Wrong again, he has trademarked that phrase.
Words & phrases can be trademarked just as much as anything else... That's 3 in a row buddy, you're out.
Well that's your opinion,
I would argue that anyone employed by a big company adds something to the product, otherwise they wouldn't be employed
Val Venis adds little to the actual product himself, but he's a mentor backstage to young guys & when they need someone to do the job in a squash he's willing to do the job.
So whether you're doing it by wrestling in the mid card or jobbing in dark matches, you're still "enhancing" the product, because every brand needs both mid carders & jobbers alike.
Adding Two negatives = a positive.
What does that have to do with what i said?
That's your opinion. Ken Kennedy has his fans.
That's not a contradiction in the slightest. Val Venis will never be a world champion, should the fire him? What about Chuck Palumbo? Jamie Noble? Hardcore Holly? Kane? Matt Striker? Jim Duggan? Paul London? Brian Kendrick? Snitsky? Cryme Tyme? Santino? BVD? Carlito? FINLAY!?! All these guys should be fired because they'll never win a world title?
Please, this is the nature of the entire argument
before this point, every brand needs their enhancement talent, their wrestlers that won't win championships necessarily, at least for the most part, but could still have a use on the show.
So no, just because they might never be world champions doesn't mean they're prime candidates for firing.
Checked it, & found you hadn't done it? 1] As I said before, La Familia was involved in 1 of the main events, if not the main-main event... So no need to use that for Chavo, too.)
2] Half the things WWE does, or even considers, don't make sense.
3] As for Shelton, WWE makes last-minute changes to storylines all the time. (See: Kennedy... Vince's son, MITB, etc.)
"Not much" is not "nothing"... As I said, it could be for other reasons. (Depends, for part, on persons/situation/etc.)
He & Vince were actually all over the 'Net in the same stories when he tried (pre-Battle of Billionaires), & it wasn't done.
For people (Trump, etc.), but not to a business... And 3 things that can't be proven or disproven doesn't knock-out anyone.
Which is no worse or less-correct than anything you've said. Esp. in these days of corporate problems, bankruptcies, etc.,
some people can stay around as long as they don't make obvious mistakes... Or in WWE's case, aren't in the public eye much at all.
Nobody's gonna argue they need to toss Val/Sean right now.... Though as for the mentoring, ask Austin or Kennedy himself how many guys he's talked to for help that aren't even on the payroll. (Austin recently said he thought KK had listened to too many.)
still makes someone a lot more valuable when they do it on ECW than in FCW.... Not to mention a lot of the wrestlers WWE has in development every year that they release, & publicly announce the release of, without them ever reaching TV.
There's a strike against you; Neg. 1 plus itself isn't a Pos.You said you couldn't have a card full of Champs, & that "it doesn't work that way", so I pointed-out the yearly night where every match is a Title match, which WWE obviously thinks works enough for them (or they wouldn't have done it 2x.)
If you don't know/understand what you say, or what my responses to you have to do with what you say, you force people to give-up. (Same thing as the contradictions, in a way.)
Yeah, & while I disagree with them, I have nothing against them. (That's 1 reason I often wonder about wrestling debate; We all see the same matches for the most part, & see talent or a lack thereof in the same person.... Some of that, though, is what makes wrestling harder to debate other sports, since unlike golf for instance, it always includes 2 people, & 1 could be carrying the other.)
Well, for one, never say never. (5 years ago, who would've seen Rey as a Heavyweight Champ? Khali?) Besides, some of them have talent, but just the same problem as Rey had, according to some: Not being a Heavyweight physically, or being in the HW Division. The creation of a SD Women's belt tells me that such things could change at any time.
I say "debate" (@ least in this post), but you say "argument", & make things against me ("3 in a row... you're out), etc...
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