*OFFICIAL* Raw Discussion Thread: August 27th, 2012

[Majin HoHo]

Is the Game's career over, will he retire? So people have said that their will a possibly HBK vs Triple H feud and for me if thatt were to happen again, I want it to happen at WM only.I think the story promos would be emotional, but where can the Game and the Showstopper go with each other in the Ring? As for Punk vs Cena going on right now I expect Punk vs Lawler on Raw.I'm still confused if Punk is truely a heel, or inbetween? I think the fans are just confused as they cheer him just as loud now.Punk vs Cena I wanna see Punk and Cena tell their true feeling about it each other.On the Smackdown side I thought Ziggler was going to cash his MITB contract on Sheamus on Friday but let's see what develops between Orton/Del Rio/Sheamus.Should be a great show in Milwaukee and don't hate on me for making the thread just wanna get the discussion going early why not right?

[chappers]

I dunno about anyone else, but I really don't care if HHH's career is over, he's hardly been there for about 2 or 3 years now anyway; why should I care if he's calling quits if I've already accepted him not being there? I've come to accept him as another Taker/Lesnar/HBK (before he retired) type role.

I think Orton/Del Rio/Sheamus has potential to be a good triple threat; personally though, I would rather see that belt around Ziggler, but don't mind if Orton or Del Rio win, just hope Sheamus drops that belt asap as I'm so bored of him as champ.

I really couldn't care about Cena vs Punk, hope Punk retains, but otherwise I want this feud to end asap and Show/Cena are as far away as possible from both main event championships.

[Majin HoHo]

I have a feeling Ziggler cashes in that title at NOC.Maybe Orton pins Del Rio in a triple threat for the World Title at the PPV,and Ziggler cashes in.Would love to see that.

[RyPrax]

Punk/Cena has a lot of potential and they always have great matches together. Plus Cena hasn't been around the title in a long time. I don't understand what the problem with that feud would be. I agree about Triple H though, he's trying to make his "retirement" a big deal like HBK or Flair and it's coming off flat because no one gives a shit. Typical Game shit.

[J.D]

I want Del Rio to win the title not just because of the fantasy league (but mostly) but because I'm bored of Sheamus and would rather see him than Orton. That is not a potshot at Sheamus as I think he was very entertaining but unfortunately they have booked him to be invincible and subsequently he has become boring. I prefer him heel.

One person I think they overlook who has the potential to carry off great main event feuds is Christian. I'd still like to see a heel Christian feud with Cena or a face Christian feud with Punk or Del Rio.

As for the Triple H stuff have to agree with chappers. I've already come to accept him as a semi-retired guy so I don't care about his career. I know they will give him one last big win though, c'mon its Triple H the guy is hardly going to go out with a loss to Taker and a loss to Lesnar.

[chappers]

As for the Triple H stuff have to agree with chappers. I've already come to accept him as a semi-retired guy so I don't care about his career. I know they will give him one last big win though, c'mon its Triple H the guy is hardly going to go out with a loss to Taker and a loss to Lesnar.

I don't even think he'll go away or have a retirement or whatever. He'll probably semi retire, like Taker currently, but return when a storyline crops up.

Punk/Cena has a lot of potential and they always have great matches together. Plus Cena hasn't been around the title in a long time. I don't understand what the problem with that feud would be.

Honestly, it feels like they've been feuding a month or two and I can't even remember why they are feuding. Considering these are the two biggest guys currently on the show, I would expect to have some interest, yet I honestly just don't care. A year ago I was invested in this feud, right now, I want someone different in the spotlight rather then the same 4 or 5 predictable people.

Literally, if they got the bollocks to shake things up a bit and give the title to someone who is currently interesting right now, like Sandow, Ryback, Bryan, Ziggler or Jericho (if he were still here) I would be hooked again. However, everything plays out in the same orderly fashion unless its a returning superstar like The Rock, Lesnar, HHH, HBK or Taker. Even though I respect those guys, its 2012, these guys were big ten years ago now and I would rather they invested the legends storylines into the current crop of talent, more importantly, for talent that people tune in week in week out for.

I can almost guarantee this weeks results, Sheamus will win, Punk will win, Cena will win, or they will all get some kind of come uppance a week later. AJ will screw over Bryan in some form. Booker T will screw over some heel in some form. Same fucking thing, face victories everywhere, and if it isn't a face victory, its someone like the Big Show, Tensai, or Santino that no one gives a fuck about getting some kind of push over guys most people want to see pushed. Its just predictable, boring, lazy and dull, and its been like this for a while now.

[RyPrax]

You'd give Ryback or Sandow the title a few months after their debut? I don't even know how to respond to that.

[J.D]

In chappers defence they gave the title to Del Rio and Sheamus very shortly after they debuted. When Sheamus won the title he had pretty much just come from ECW and hardly anyone knew who he was.

However I personally wouldn't put the title on those two yet. I would build them up a bit so they didn't become the next Miz/Swagger.

[Adampro123]

I Agree with almost everything Chappers has said minus putting the title on Ryback or Sandow though i don't think it's a crazy idea because like JD said Del Rio and Sheamus were both pushed to the moon around their debut.

Cena vs Punk just doesn't really interest me either this time. i understand the feud but it just kind of seems like it doesn't matter. maybe it's because Rock is gonna take it from whoever is champ at the rumble? i don't know.

I think WWE Creative has forgotten they have Christian on the roster. he hasn't done anything as of late. i think the last time i saw him he jobbed to Del Rio or Ziggler or something.

Kane is boring and Bryan deserves better and really should be one of the world champions IMO. I haven't enjoyed this crazy gimmick of his at all and and i don't want to see AJ fuck him over for the rest of the year.

Speaking of people deserving better i think we would all agree that Cody Rhodes deserves better than this low mid card feud with Sin Cara. i thought Cody was gonna win MITB a few months ago and now he's not even on Raw or SD sometimes.

I may be the only one but i really want to see John Morrison back so i will actually have a mid card face to root for to break into the main event and maybe win a world title for the first time because right now i don't have that. Sin Cara, Brodus Clay, Santino and Ryback isn't doing much for me. and i know the WWE isn't gonna ever push Ryder seriously again. they just wanted to take one of the most over guys in the WWE and completely fuck him over for no reason.

I have no idea what they are gonna do with Big show now. I hope it's not a feud with David Otunga or anything and i hope it's not with Cena either. but there just isn't that many faces around for him to feud with at this point if we are gonna have Cena vs Punk, Sheamus vs Del Rio, Orton vs Ziggler, Bryan vs Kane  (don't know who the face is there) and Clay vs Sandow

I think the one thing we all agree on is get the WHC off of Sheamus. I'd rather see it on Orton thananyone right now. Del Rio has been in the main event and in the same feud with Sheamus since the night after wrestlemania. and i want Ziggler to wait a little longer before he cashes in. Maybe even after Wrestlemania or on that night.

Couple things i am excited about is Antonio Cesaro having the US Championship and The tag team division may finally get some freashness to it and we won't have to deal with just PTP and Epico & Primo anymore. Uso's, Gabriel & Kidd and maybe even MM and Johnny Curtis will be added into the mix.

And Yeah what everyone else said about Triple H. We know he's not really retiring.

[J.D]

Yeah Bryan needs a world title. The WWE seems to think that we want to see him get fucked over by AJ repeatedly. We don't. I think because Bryan was so good at turning back heel after being face that the WWE are thinking the fans want to see him fail when really he is just fucking good at being face/heel and deserves to be champion and the fans were just behind his heel turn as he aced it. I get the impression though that creative can't stand the fact that fans don't like who they tell them to like which is why the have to fuck guys over like Ryder on a constant basis and are so in denial they tell themselves the fans want them to fail and want to root for guys like Cena and Triple H.

I agree that Rhodes deserves better too. He is so above a feud with Sin Cara it is unreal. The funny thing is Sin Cara has come out on top most times as well. I really think they should use this to bring out Rhodes' narcissistic personality traits and get him back on track because they built up the guy for one fucking year just to have him feud with the shittest wrestler going who can't even enter the ring without botching.

[chappers]

You'd give Ryback or Sandow the title a few months after their debut? I don't even know how to respond to that.

To be honest, I would at least give them an Intercontinental or US championship, maybe not the two big ones; although thinking on that, how many times have they given the big one to guys at the wrong time. At least people are buying into Ryback and Sandow at the moment, if they don't do something with them soon, people are going to get bored of them. My point was mainly down to those two at least having some intrigue with their characters and one of the few reasons why I tune in, but also making things unpredictable.

Either way, Sheamus needs the title taken off him asap, they should have given him the championship like a year ago when people were digging his push, instead we got Big Show, Mark Henry and Daniel Bryan feud for about 6 months. Remember how shit Smackdown was like a year ago and how he was the only person that was actually worth watching besides Bryan, yet they were so stubborn about giving him the belt at Mania, despite it being one of the worst calls recently. I don't even mind Sheamus, but I am really fed up of his constant victories.

I think I can tolerate Punk for a little longer, but the fact that The Rock is facing Punk or Cena at Royal Rumble just makes the WWE Championship really boring, we know its going to be tussled around between three guys until Mania next year pretty much, what's to like about that? Plus it doesn't help that the WHC is being hogged by one guy and the other titles hold no credibility whatsoever and have no consistent slot on the show. In fact, who is the intercontinental champion as I can't even remember lol

[RyPrax]

Del Rio was older and more experienced when he started in WWE and he had instant heat. Sheamus winning the title that early was a mistake. It almost always is when that happens. Orton won the title like 2 years after he debuted and it was WAAAYYY too early. When you win the world title too early you have nowhere to go but back down. At the very least Sheamus and even Del Rio had the benefit of being big guys who quickly dominated other big guys. Ryback can't go from 3 months of beating jobbers and Jinder Mahal to winning the world title, and Sandow should at least get a chance to dominate the mid-card for a while. I don't understand why we have to be so impatient with these things, Ryback and Sandow are only 30-years-old, they have YEARS ahead of them to win titles and dominate.

I would, like Chappers said, give them mid-card titles. Although if you give Ryback the US title the Golberg chants are only going to get worse lol. Sandow as IC champ and Ryback as US champ, eventually he trades it in for a world title shot after he dominates everyone. BRB Golberg push.

I also agree that Bryan needs a title back, and that Sheamus needs a break from world champ. No arguments there.

[Leonardo Lunchbox]

That segment has to be the best thing that Kane has ever done. I could not stop laughing.

[Adampro123]

I love the fact that Scorpio Sky was in anger management with them and wanted to hug Kane.

[RyPrax]

Anger Management stuff was pretty good but kinda forced.

The Punk/Jerry segment was pretty bad. Punk leaves, Jerry waits five seconds: "Hey, Punk! I'll think about it! Ya I'll think about it alright." Then  he huffs and puffs on commentary for an hour until the 9PM hour so people know what's happening.

Fell asleep during the last hour so I don't remember anything else important. God I can't wait for my shows to start so I have something else to watch Monday nights.

Edit: Just saw the Kane part of the Anger Management sketches, wow, that was spectacular.