*OFFICIAL* Raw Discussion Thread: March 5, 2012

[Majin HoHo]

HBK Returns to Raw
This week on Raw, WWE Hall of Famer, Shawn Michaels makes a return to Raw to personally address his best friend and Chief Operating Officer of WWE, Triple H. With Michaels being instrumental in HHH accepting Undertaker's challenge for Wrestlemania, curious eyes will be on the Heartbreak Kid as he confronts HHH. As a man that has wrestled both Triple H and Undertaker at Wrestlemania, and someone who has wrestled them both inside Hell in a Cell, he is in perhaps a better position than anyone to predict the epic Wrestlemania 28 encounter. What does Michaels think of the latest turn of events? And deep down, who does Michaels really want to win? Find out all this and more on this week's Raw Supershow.


Also on Raw
Last week, we found out that the General Managers would be switching shows for this week. So for Raw Supershow, Theodore Long is in charge and he's already made the first match: David Otunga, attorney for Interim Raw General Manager, John Laurinaitis, will take on the Punjabi Nightmare, The Great Khali. What else will the SmackDown General Manager have in store for Monday Night Raw? Last week on Raw, John Cena left The Rock flustered when the Great One made his return to Raw: what words will Cena have this week for his Wrestlemania opponent? Also on Raw, expect to see the ongoing rivalry between Chris Jericho and CM Punk to heat up, as these two superstars try to prove which of them truly is the Best in the World. Also expect to see more from Kelly Kelly and Eve Torres as their friendship appears to have suffered following Eve's treatment of Zack Ryder. Watch all this and more on Raw!

A segment with HBK, Triple H and Taker sounds great to me.Khali vs Otunga, I would be marking if Khali loses,lol.Eve vs Kelly storyling boo, no one cared she beat Natayla, they won't care now.Should be a solid Raw, but not a great one.Don't forget the Rock will be Cena's home away from home, Boston, the Rock wil respond, he better god dammit!

[RyPrax]

Should be a good raw. HBK/Triple H/Taker promo has me sold alone.

[Adampro123]

Jack Swagger will be defending the United States Championship against Santino Marella on tonight's Raw SuperShow.

"Big title match tonight vs jack swagger, I have something for him that starts with "Co" and ends with "bra!" Marella tweeted.

Big Show also teased a possible match against The Miz. He tweeted, "Would anyone like to see me knockout @mikethemiz tonight on raw?"

Wonder if Santino will beat swagger for the title. i can totally see that happening since swagger has been booked horribly for the longest time and i believe he and ziggler will be going for the tag titkes at mania...santino as champion i don't know about though unless he wins it and then loses it to drew on SD after Johnny rehires him.

[RyPrax]

The best United States champions of all the times!

[Majin HoHo]

Ok, last nights Raw opening with Shawn, and Triple H, kinda hoped for Taker to come out, but I guess they are saving it for next week.Now to the segment, who didn't know Shawn Michaels wouldn't be the Referee for the HITC match.Talk about history huh, the first Hell in the Cell was with Shawn and Taker, and Triple H being the second in command, the roles have changed.I'm still wondering how that match will end, had some ideas, but I think Shawn will screw over Triple H and Taker in pinning situations very late in the match.Segment was ok, kinda the same like last time, but solid for the show. On to the Santino vs Swagger match, United States Title on the line, I guess Santino's hard work paid off, from the Foreign Exchange show he's done, and getting over again, not sure what this really means, considering WWE doesn't respect the Title enough to really have title matches on PPV's, etc.It helps Santino get more air-time but that's it. Ok, Rocky's promos especially the first one, was perfect that's why I wanted outta the Rock, thank you WWE.Eve vs Kelly Kelly, no one care, send both to FCW, and bring up some those ladies, and put AJ Lee and Katiyln in those spots,hey Maxine and matches are better.I didn't care about Eve before the heel turn, and I hate her more now.Best spot in the match, Ryder coming out! I said to my Brother and my Dad, when Ryder came out with the Cane, I said the Godfather let Ryder use the pimp cane, where's the ho's at?


Show/Rhodes feud is ok right now, Show wins every match with making fun of Show, WM match with them, should be good to see, due to the size difference Kane and Orton feud, should be great to watch, the promos will own, cause both men will be great, their know what to to tell a story..Punk/Sheamus vs Jericho/Bryan solid, but didn't blow my mind.Now to the meat and potatoes, Rock and Cena confronation.Rocky went in the face, nose to nose to Cena, and called him a bitch, now in my hood, those are fighting words.Now when you talk about someone from a distance, and a man gets in your face, and you do nothing, tells me, those muscles on Cena might be losing it's air...Now Cena did make some faces, and the crowd chanted, Tooth Fairy, I was hoping for the fans to chant Marine, that would of really great.I also saw the writing on the arms of Cena, to get one last shot at Rock, he did he after Rock left, but smart to do that.Now Rocky owned, but Cena had his jabs.This is what I want, Raw overall was overall, but Rock and Cena kept it interesting..

[RyPrax]

Smooth move calling Cena out on that Garden Gnome Dwayne:

WWEShop - The Rock Gnome

[Majin HoHo]

Yeah, Rock gets the square, cause his looks like him,  Cena I'm talking about.

[chappers]

I thought this show was pretty average, we had a load of build for Rock/Cena which was ok but it seemed like overkill. The Rock was alright in his pre-recorded promos, made me chuckle a couple of times but a lot of the time he seemed like a try hard, I almost felt like he was Cary Elwes doing the claw instead of Jim Carrey in Liar Liar. His promo face to face with Cena was lame, I found it funny how he tried to get the crowd behind him and they were chanting Tooth Fairy, which seemed to piss him off under it all (dunno why, HE chose that trashy film over wrestling and now he's ashamed of it yet refuses to come back full time). To be honest, I thought he flustered again when Cena kept butting in and once again all he could do was revert to his catchphrases. I just don't buy The Rock at all with this and he even knows how sparse his argument and character has become. If anything he kind of came across worse this week then last week because this crowd went from buying him to realising how thin his gimmick is right now. He let down Cena's point on wanting The Rock and not Dwayne as well.

Aside from that I don't know what else to talk about seeing as that took up like five parts of the show. I liked the build for Laurinaitis/Long. I don't mind Santino winning, the crowd are hot for him at the moment. Swaggers reign will go down as one of the worst going though, I like Swagger but they haven't had any storylines for him since his WHC reign and its starting to tick me off how little they support him, even with a mid card title. I remember his feud with Christian on ECW a couple years ago and it was bloody awesome, I just don't get it the guy is good in the ring an delivers when called upon and he's good enough on the mic, yet he's the most mistreated star going. Also, I'm kind of confused with who is going to be on team Johnny/Teddy at this point as well, Otunga and Santino are locks but otherwise they've seemed to juggle around with it.

Kane/Orton feud I couldn't care about, it seems thrown together and just filler, I still feel like Orton should have been injected in the WHC match seeing as he had actual beef with Bryan, he could add something to the match, he's in his prime and he has a reason to go after the WHC. Kane could still look legitimate by going alone in that tag match we all thought we'd see, which now looks like it will be panned despite everyone in that tag match looking good a weak or two ago.

Tag match with Punk/Sheamus/Bryan/Jericho was ok from what I saw of it but I want to actually see build for both of these matches. I don't like the fact that we have the four guys in the two big title matches in one match and it was kind of treated like nothing and this will mean that we will probably have a two week break for an interaction between Punk and Jericho unless they have plans on Smackdown?

HBK and HHH was alright, did what it needed to, not much else to say on that really.

Was I the only person who thought the Tooth Fairy chant was a Drew Carey chant?

No Christian or Del Rio is disappointing, they bring them back at EC and then don't bother using them, kind of annoys me, if they have plans for them they could at least be used in a promo capacity.

[Majin HoHo]

Chappers you hard to convince, but I am fucking tired of this fake toughnes in Wrestling,  I would rather see like a man, confronting another man, face to face, telling he what he will do, then Rock backstage telling I'm going to break you in half.Cena acted  like a lot of internet people, tough from afar, but a coward face to face.Example, I talk shit about you, and you confront me face to face, come to visit and all, and when we visit, I say I was just kidding.Cena kinda acted that way, the games were done, now Cena will try to overcome, but what made me laugh is when Cena tried to take another shot, writing on his arm, saying Rock's comment back to him, he didn't even say it right.DIdn't Rock say 6'5, Cena said 6'4, must be deaf,lol.

[Leonardo Lunchbox]

I NEED MORE R-TRUTH RAMBLING ON ABOUT NOTHING.

[RyPrax]

Chappers you hard to convince, but I am fucking tired of this fake toughnes in Wrestling,  I would rather see like a man, confronting another man, face to face, telling he what he will do, then Rock backstage telling I'm going to break you in half.Cena acted  like a lot of internet people, tough from afar, but a coward face to face.Example, I talk shit about you, and you confront me face to face, come to visit and all, and when we visit, I say I was just kidding.Cena kinda acted that way, the games were done, now Cena will try to overcome, but what made me laugh is when Cena tried to take another shot, writing on his arm, saying Rock's comment back to him, he didn't even say it right.DIdn't Rock say 6'5, Cena said 6'4, must be deaf,lol.

I usually try to be respectful about opinions, but are you fucking serious? You're making fun of Cena because he said Dwayne was an inch smaller than he actually was? Are you that much of a fucking fanboy? And Cena was a coward, in the fake, staged, confrontation with his opponent in a fake wrestling match? If the Rock went up to Cena in a bar and talked shit about him I doubt he would be a "coward face to face". The whole point of this is that Cena is actually saying some things that ring true with fans with regards to the Rock. But it's still a work. Rock's there for a payday, and he's working a storyline with Cena, that storyline being that Cena has a legitimate gripe about the Rock and all Dwayne can do to respond is list off catchphrases and say he's going to kick his ass. That's what they're doing here and both these guys are in on it. It's one thing to be a fan of one guy over another -- I've been a fan of both over the course of my career as a wrestling fan -- but it strikes me as you have legitimate hate for Cena, and seem to be associating the things he's saying to some sort of weird reality, and as someone who has to read your comments and wonder why you're taking it so seriously, it's a little infuriating.

But hey, if The Rock throwing garden gnomes into a river entertains you then I guess Dwayne's doing his job?

[Adampro123]

Completely agree with prax, i thought about replying but then i just figured it would be to no use. it seems like no matter what hoho would still be blinded by his blind hate for cena and love for the rock. at this point its kind of like i go into this thread thinking i wonder how hoho is gonna find a way to twist this to make it where he thinks rock came out on top" It's kind of funny, no offense but i just can't recall seeing someone opinion so one sided where reality doesn't come into play.

I felt sorry for the rock. his stuff he did in the city was funny but once he and cena got face to face he didn't have anything to say yet again and he looked even more shaken than last week. i want this feud to be back and forth and both guys get good shots in at eachother because im not the biggest cena fan im just as sick of him as the next guy when it comes to how he usually is but the fact of the matter is cena is owning this war of words and he's really stepped up his game lately on the mic while rocky just comes out there talks about twitter and says some catchphrases and says "look at me" and "im gonna whoop your ass"

Overall i thought this raw was okay at best though. Liked the Triple H/HBK stuff.
liked the US title match though did not understand Kofi coming down there without truth since they are sup[posed to be partners.
Was hoping we would get more tag team stuff. last week we all really liked the tag team match but this week its like it never happened.
Great to see Ryder back. on the other hand i got to wonder where this is going with him and Eve. he can't face her at mania but im starting to think he will be the special ref for her vs kelly kelly which i don't like.
The rest was meh as far as i can recall.

[chappers]

Chappers you hard to convince, but I am fucking tired of this fake toughnes in Wrestling,  I would rather see like a man, confronting another man, face to face, telling he what he will do, then Rock backstage telling I'm going to break you in half.Cena acted  like a lot of internet people, tough from afar, but a coward face to face.Example, I talk shit about you, and you confront me face to face, come to visit and all, and when we visit, I say I was just kidding.Cena kinda acted that way, the games were done, now Cena will try to overcome, but what made me laugh is when Cena tried to take another shot, writing on his arm, saying Rock's comment back to him, he didn't even say it right.DIdn't Rock say 6'5, Cena said 6'4, must be deaf,lol.

Why should I be convinced to support The Rock?

[Majin HoHo]

I told you guys before, I hate the character of Cena that's all, and who are we to fucking judge the Rock coming back, who gives a fuck he came back for money, I bet Cena is enjoying that pay day coming, because what would he had done, if he didn't have the Rock to wrestle with?  Probably plug himself into a Title match, like he's done for years.Like I told Cena has not be on his game since 07, he takes the easy way out, get fame, and fortune quick, kinda like the Ultimate Warrior did.Cena will leave the WWE, within 5 years, then what..he will come back and he will be the same position at the Rock is, the we will saying the same about Cena? As for my blindness to the Rock/Cena feud, of course I'm going to support and beat up  Cena, we do that, with our favorite Wrestlers all the time, but my blindness so you say, brings people here to talk, in these threads, and that positive considering we barely get members here, so I will continue stir the pot, and have you guys debate, cause God knows this place can get dead sometimes.

[RyPrax]

You're allowed to like the rock, it's the way you talk about him which is annoying lol. I love this feud and frankly I think we're all a little invested in the kayfabe aspect of it all, but in the end we all have to realize it's a fucking storyline and John and Dwayne are probably buddies backstage.