Quote from: TJChurch;26888Foley should be a focal point for the same reason any fans back Taker in WWE. I can't tell you how many people were ticked he (or his related merchandise) didn't show tonight. You can't tell us because you didn't see any people who were ticked off? And Foley is in no way comparable to undertaker. The only reason he was ever popular was because of Undertaker.
Foley should be a focal point for the same reason any fans back Taker in WWE. I can't tell you how many people were ticked he (or his related merchandise) didn't show tonight.
Think I'll have a wank over these tomorrow.
1] If you dare release Foley, release JJ while you're at it. (The reason they call him the founder now is b.c the true founder, his Daddy, sent a guy to WWE. It was Kozlov, but still,...) Also, what's the point of signing ROH guys? How is that different from signing Vince/Turner's olld guys? Anyone with a DVD player &/or online will know they're "built" (fanbase-wise, etc.) before you got them.
It's different because they won't have recognition to mainstream audiences. They can build them as their own stars, like WWE did with CM Punk. I don't think anyone says that WWE has banked on CM Punk's name recognition with ROH since signing him. They made him a WWE guy and it's what TNA needs to do. I would say 10% of WWE fans knew who Punk was when he debuted, and it would be the same thing with TNA fans, maybe slightly more, say 20%. The other difference is that they guys I mentioned aren't 40 years old and/or past their prime.
When Punk debuted, I don't recalll my local FYE (the same place I buy my TNA & WWE stuff) having ROH DVDs, including ones with Joe, MVP, Kendrick, & Punk on them.
ALso, I don't recall ROH having their own shows as widely available on HDNet or other TV channels, even on PPV.
WWE didn't bank on his name b/c the option wasn't there, at least not as much as it is now. (That's why TNA & WWE spend so much time buying/changing people's on-screen names, ala Chistian; So that if they jump companies, the other group can't bank on their pre-recognized name.)
Also, I agree with you that many TNA has are past their prime, &/or just plain old. But that's what gives you guys like 3D who can say theyve been Champs as many different times & places as they have, which (not just them saying it, but it being true) makes fans respect them/their talent more in many cases. (Also, whether we like it or not, there are some fans that will see &/or recognize the names, & when it comes to ages/primes/the like, they will just not care.)
ROH was just as popular in 2005/2006 as it is now.]
C fans. If you go to a casual fan now and ask them who the Briscoe Brothers, you're likely to either be answered with a blank stare, or that guy who used to kiss Mr. McMahon's ass with Pat Paterson.
HDNet is widely available? Are you serious? :lol. Not to mention the fact that ROH on HDNet just started a few weeks ago, but HDnet is not a widely available network in the slightest.
WWE didn't need to bank on his name because he had the skill set required to become a star on his own, and they saw that, and that's the reason they made the ballsy move to let him keep his own name when he came on.
But not because there was no bankability, as I said, the popularity of ROH is about the same now as it was 3 years ago. It's a niche product that won't appeal to everyone and has a very specific set of rabid and loyal fans.
That's cheap though, sure Team 3D can say they've been popular and they've been champions everywhere, but how long will that work? And what happens when this doesn't work anymore? When people stop respecting those wrestlers as has beens (already starting to happen)?
When they retire? Get more ex-WWE guys? They have to build their own stars and so long as these old geezers are in the company they're never going to reach the level of popularity that they're able to.
Sign some/all of the following people and push them as your own stars:1) Claudio Castagnoli2) The Briscoe Brothers3) Dragon4) Nigel5) Anyone from ROH you can get your hands on.Release most/all of the following people:1) Kurt Angle2) Booker T3) Scott Steiner4) Kevin Nash5) Sting6) Mick FoleyPush the following talent you already have like WWE pushed Rock and Austin and everyone else from the attitude era:1) Joe2) A.J.3) Eric Young4) Jay Lethal5) MCMG.etc.Saddly these things will never happen.
Quote from: Prax;27124Sign some/all of the following people and push them as your own stars:1) Claudio Castagnoli2) The Briscoe Brothers3) Dragon4) Nigel5) Anyone from ROH you can get your hands on.Release most/all of the following people:1) Kurt Angle2) Booker T3) Scott Steiner4) Kevin Nash5) Sting6) Mick FoleyPush the following talent you already have like WWE pushed Rock and Austin and everyone else from the attitude era:1) Joe2) A.J.3) Eric Young4) Jay Lethal5) MCMG.etc.Saddly these things will never happen.TNA is a new company and they want people to have their TV sets on them.The WWE/WCW guys are household Pro Wrestling names that are brought in to keep the company alive and carry them with the ratings.They do need to push their own superstars but they can't do it with non household name wrestlers. For WWE it's easy since everyone watches it and it's way easier to push them.TNA is a company that hasn't made an Impact (no pun intended) as a household name for people to pick up on the names as AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Chris Daniels, etc.
True. But you gotta admit they have done a pretty good job with Beer Money Inc.
It's Simple. Book fueds/Angles/Matches of interest. The rest should come to them. At the moment it's just non-sensical you get the usual MEM opening promo. Then you constantly cut to the back to speak to Foley or Jarrett. No Wonder Christian Left. I Still quite like it though for it's rare moments of brilliance.
Foley is still gold on the mic; I just don't see why they gave him the belt, too.
Quote from: Axel;27711True. But you gotta admit they have done a pretty good job with Beer Money Inc.Sure, why not. But those are two guys who should be main eventing by now. I think both Roode and Storm have done their time in tag teams and should be getting singles pushes.
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