Last Movie You Saw

[RyPrax]

I'm just going to drop spoilers now because it seems like we've all seen it. If you haven't and you're reading this just don't lol.


The point Nolan was trying to make with JGL is that it didn't matter what kind of costume he put on, so long as someone was there protecting Gotham. To show him putting on a costume would be a copout because anyone protecting Gotham would be important enough to deserve their own origin story, so to speak. JGL discovers the bat cave, and he gets surrounded by the bats just like Bruce did in Begins, so it's just as possible that he puts on the Batman costume. But they also teased him being Nightwing with all the blue he wore. And then there's his name being Robin. But the thing is it doesn't make sense for him to be Robin, because that's his real name and people would figure it out quicker than they figured out Bruce Wayne was Batman. Making his name Robin was just a nod to the fans and to the fact that Nolan said he'd never do Robin. They could have just as easily made his "legal name" Dick Grayson, but that would be cheap. Again, it doesn't matter who he becomes, only that he becomes the protector of Gotham. It'll take him a while to actually make a costume not to mention find someone to fight. As for why they wouldn't put him in a costume before, again, how would it make any sense that this guy in a mask started popping up around the time Batman came back? Plus that defeats the point that he was trying to make of being the guy that didn't need a mask to fight these guys, and Bruce trying to explain that the mask isn't for the enemies or for him, it's to protect the people he cares about.

As for Bane, I totally disagree. I thought he was the most complex villain in the series. Ra's stood for his warped definition of "order". Joker stood for chaos and was meant to be the antithesis of Batman. Scarecrow was obviously in it for power. Bane was complex because he didn't seem to stand for anything. He wanted to complete the wishes of Ra's, and it turns out he wanted to do it for Talia. He loved her, he protected her, and he would clearly do anything for her. The scene at the end where Talia reveals herself, he has a tear rolling down the side of his mask and I don't think anyone's ever done something like that with a superhero villain before. He was the furthest thing from a thug, he had a reason to do the things he did, sort of like a spiteful tribute to Ra's. And the way he died totally made sense too. I don't really know what was confusing about Bane's origin story though. He was in the prison, he saved Talia, got his face mangled, Ra's took him out but he was disgusted by him, then Talia sought him out to destroy Gotham. It's pretty straightforward. As for his voice, it was much better than the prologue at least. I didn't really mind it.

As for showing Bruce at the end, it was necessary. Bruce Wayne set up all these signs for the people who knew his identity to know that he was alive. If it was just Alfred, then maybe they didn't have to show him. But when Blake got his inheritance he had to know Bruce did it after the blast, since they said he didn't have time to change his will before. Gordon sees the bat signal fixed, which was broken when Batman's back was broken. Lucius finds out when they tell him Bruce fixed the autopilot. He was obviously alive so it made sense to show him. Plus I think that the point was also that Bruce would always be able to come back if needed. He's "retired", but in the comics he leaves a bunch of times too and other people take the mantle of Batman.

I do agree the first act of the movie was a little slow though. It was necessary to show where Bruce had fallen, and to give him a proper reason to come back. I thought it actually moved more smoothly the second time though.

[Leonardo Lunchbox]

I'm just going to drop spoilers now because it seems like we've all seen it. If you haven't and you're reading this just don't lol.


The point Nolan was trying to make with JGL is that it didn't matter what kind of costume he put on, so long as someone was there protecting Gotham. To show him putting on a costume would be a copout because anyone protecting Gotham would be important enough to deserve their own origin story, so to speak. JGL discovers the bat cave, and he gets surrounded by the bats just like Bruce did in Begins, so it's just as possible that he puts on the Batman costume. But they also teased him being Nightwing with all the blue he wore. And then there's his name being Robin. But the thing is it doesn't make sense for him to be Robin, because that's his real name and people would figure it out quicker than they figured out Bruce Wayne was Batman. Making his name Robin was just a nod to the fans and to the fact that Nolan said he'd never do Robin. They could have just as easily made his "legal name" Dick Grayson, but that would be cheap. Again, it doesn't matter who he becomes, only that he becomes the protector of Gotham. It'll take him a while to actually make a costume not to mention find someone to fight. As for why they wouldn't put him in a costume before, again, how would it make any sense that this guy in a mask started popping up around the time Batman came back? Plus that defeats the point that he was trying to make of being the guy that didn't need a mask to fight these guys, and Bruce trying to explain that the mask isn't for the enemies or for him, it's to protect the people he cares about.

As for Bane, I totally disagree. I thought he was the most complex villain in the series. Ra's stood for his warped definition of "order". Joker stood for chaos and was meant to be the antithesis of Batman. Scarecrow was obviously in it for power. Bane was complex because he didn't seem to stand for anything. He wanted to complete the wishes of Ra's, and it turns out he wanted to do it for Talia. He loved her, he protected her, and he would clearly do anything for her. The scene at the end where Talia reveals herself, he has a tear rolling down the side of his mask and I don't think anyone's ever done something like that with a superhero villain before. He was the furthest thing from a thug, he had a reason to do the things he did, sort of like a spiteful tribute to Ra's. And the way he died totally made sense too. I don't really know what was confusing about Bane's origin story though. He was in the prison, he saved Talia, got his face mangled, Ra's took him out but he was disgusted by him, then Talia sought him out to destroy Gotham. It's pretty straightforward. As for his voice, it was much better than the prologue at least. I didn't really mind it.

As for showing Bruce at the end, it was necessary. Bruce Wayne set up all these signs for the people who knew his identity to know that he was alive. If it was just Alfred, then maybe they didn't have to show him. But when Blake got his inheritance he had to know Bruce did it after the blast, since they said he didn't have time to change his will before. Gordon sees the bat signal fixed, which was broken when Batman's back was broken. Lucius finds out when they tell him Bruce fixed the autopilot. He was obviously alive so it made sense to show him. Plus I think that the point was also that Bruce would always be able to come back if needed. He's "retired", but in the comics he leaves a bunch of times too and other people take the mantle of Batman.

I do agree the first act of the movie was a little slow though. It was necessary to show where Bruce had fallen, and to give him a proper reason to come back. I thought it actually moved more smoothly the second time though.

I was confused cause i knew his orgin so when they said the kid of al Ghul escaped he pit i was just thinking about how he wasn't al Ghul's kid.

[Adampro123]

All this talk is making me want to watch the whole series again, which is something i usually don't do.

When it comes to the main Villains i would rank Joker as the best. I was just blown away by him and will always remember that Joker when i think about this series. But i still liked both Bane and scarecrow. Bane i think was the scariest villain the most threatening, i can understand complaints about his voice because it did seem like it could come off as comical and annoying at times but it never really did that for me. As for Scarecrow i need to go back and watch Batman Begins because it's been a very long time since i have seen it, i do however really like the actor who played him.

That's one thing i can say for sure, I Think the casting of this was great, I loved all the actors in this series...Well Katie holmes i was never a huge fan of but didn't dislike her.

I don't mind that the first act was slow at all. I prefer it like that actually. it can't always be at 11, it has to build up and set the story up and i thought it did a great job at that.

I don't know if this scene hit with everyone else as much as it did with me but the football scene with the kid singing and then the kickoff return with the ground falling behind him and he was running for his life but didn't know it because he was just trying to score the touchdown...Damn that scene just blew me away.

[Leonardo Lunchbox]

I can't help but think that if Heath Ledger doesn't die, Scarecrow isn't the judge in that scene. Don't get me wrong Scarecrow was really great. But I can totally see Joker doing that scene.

It wasn't slow, as it was just boring. Its actually really fast. The entire movie is. You go through like what 6 months in a minute when Bane takes over Gotham?

Am I the only one who was surprised when Gordon found out Batman was Bruce Wayne? I swore he knew it the entire time and was just playing coy about the whole thing. Hell how does Gotham never figure out Wayne is Batman? Wayne disappears, returns and Batman is there, than he disappears and Batman disappears for YEARS until Wayne reappears and Batman reappears. Than Batman "dies" and Wayne disappears ago.

[RyPrax]

I was confused cause i knew his orgin so when they said the kid of al Ghul escaped he pit i was just thinking about how he wasn't al Ghul's kid.

Well, who said the film origin story had to 100% match the comic book origin story? Besides, turns out that was a dead giveaway for Talia lol.

All this talk is making me want to watch the whole series again, which is something i usually don't do.

When it comes to the main Villains i would rank Joker as the best. I was just blown away by him and will always remember that Joker when i think about this series. But i still liked both Bane and scarecrow. Bane i think was the scariest villain the most threatening, i can understand complaints about his voice because it did seem like it could come off as comical and annoying at times but it never really did that for me. As for Scarecrow i need to go back and watch Batman Begins because it's been a very long time since i have seen it, i do however really like the actor who played him.

That's one thing i can say for sure, I Think the casting of this was great, I loved all the actors in this series...Well Katie holmes i was never a huge fan of but didn't dislike her.

I don't mind that the first act was slow at all. I prefer it like that actually. it can't always be at 11, it has to build up and set the story up and i thought it did a great job at that.

I don't know if this scene hit with everyone else as much as it did with me but the football scene with the kid singing and then the kickoff return with the ground falling behind him and he was running for his life but didn't know it because he was just trying to score the touchdown...Damn that scene just blew me away.

Ya, I watched The Dark Knight in preparation the weekend before TDKR came out, but I wasn't going to watch Begins because I see it on TV all the time and I wa skind of sick of it, but after TDKR it totally got me in the mood and made me appreciate it more even though it's my least favorite of the three.

The football scene was great but I think the fact that we had seen most of it in previews a million times sort of took the novelty away for me.

I can't help but think that if Heath Ledger doesn't die, Scarecrow isn't the judge in that scene. Don't get me wrong Scarecrow was really great. But I can totally see Joker doing that scene.

It wasn't slow, as it was just boring. Its actually really fast. The entire movie is. You go through like what 6 months in a minute when Bane takes over Gotham?

Am I the only one who was surprised when Gordon found out Batman was Bruce Wayne? I swore he knew it the entire time and was just playing coy about the whole thing. Hell how does Gotham never figure out Wayne is Batman? Wayne disappears, returns and Batman is there, than he disappears and Batman disappears for YEARS until Wayne reappears and Batman reappears. Than Batman "dies" and Wayne disappears ago.

I think that if Heath Ledger didn't die the Joker would either have a much bigger role in this film or still none at all. Unless he shackled him to that desk, I don't think The Joker would be okay with fake judging people under Bane's plan. He's an anarchist and his goal is to antagonize Batman. If Batman's not around, I feel like he'd try to antagonize Bane. Most people seem to agree that if he was alive, he'd probably just make a cameo when they're letting people out of Blackgate and when they go to let Joker go, Bane would say something like "not him" and he'd frown. Either that or they'd make a comment about how he's the only person in Arkham Asylum anymore. But who knows. I personally totally saw him as the judge too at first.

I agree about the people of Gotham being a little stupid, especially Gordon. It was a total WTF when he found out at the end as I thought he knew the entire movie, but it turns out he just thought Bruce Wayne and Batman are friends lol. He's like the worst cop in Gotham. John Blake figured it out when he was like 7.

[Adampro123]

Makes me glad i actually never watched any of the trailers for it. It was one movie i know i already had a lot of interest in and wanted to see without seeing trailers.

I Agree the people of Gotham seem really stupid and i feel like every one should know who batman was, but it wasn't really an issue. i mean at the end of the day it's still a super hero movie even though it's still SO much more.

Does anyone know why Bane saved what's her face from the cave in the first place? it showed bane saving her but i don't recall it ever really saying why he saved her. Maybe i missed something due to annoying kids in the theater right in front of me?

[RyPrax]

If you were in a brutal prison and there was somehow a kid in there wouldn't you be inclined to save her? I dunno, just seems like the decent thing to do. It was meant to give bane depth and, well, a heart. Why wouldn't he save the little girl?

[Adampro123]

That explanation just seems totally random though. especially compared to how everything else came together ya know? why him? why is it his place in the terms of story to save her? and not just the fact thatsome random guy is trying to do the noble thing.

I figure that may be explained more on future DVDs that may have deleted scenes.

[J.D]

I agree with everything Prax said about Bane and I'm going to be really controversial and say he is Nolan's best villain and I thought the voice Hardy gave him was brilliant.

See I liked The Joker but he kinda made me cringe between the lip smacking, eye rolling and clown voice I just found it a tad too overdone, especially that scene where he dresses as a nurse. Bane spoke with his eyes, he had that huge physical presence yet was intellectual and pretty well spoken. The bit where he snaps Batman's back was very matter of fact and not milked for all it was worth. I found Joker to just be too milked but there were aspects of the performance I enjoyed and he was certainly in the top tier of Nolan's villains.

IMO the worst villain of Nolan's series was easily Harvey Two Face. Did not dig that at all.

[RyPrax]

That explanation just seems totally random though. especially compared to how everything else came together ya know? why him? why is it his place in the terms of story to save her? and not just the fact thatsome random guy is trying to do the noble thing.

I figure that may be explained more on future DVDs that may have deleted scenes.

You're over-thinking it WAYYYY too much. I don't understand why there needs to be a reason for him to save her.

[Leonardo Lunchbox]

I just watched a dude tear this plot up, and it made alot of sense, but i still like this movie regardless.

[J.D]

That explanation just seems totally random though. especially compared to how everything else came together ya know? why him? why is it his place in the terms of story to save her? and not just the fact thatsome random guy is trying to do the noble thing.

I figure that may be explained more on future DVDs that may have deleted scenes.

Because they were stuck in a jail for years and years, she had always lived there and Bane became like a father to her therefore his feelings were paternal.

[Adampro123]

That explanation just seems totally random though. especially compared to how everything else came together ya know? why him? why is it his place in the terms of story to save her? and not just the fact thatsome random guy is trying to do the noble thing.

I figure that may be explained more on future DVDs that may have deleted scenes.

Because they were stuck in a jail for years and years, she had always lived there and Bane became like a father to her therefore his feelings were paternal.

That i can buy. i was under the impression that bane wasn't in jail and he just came down in there and saved her and a bunch of people attacked him until she told her father what was going on and him and the League of shadows came down there and saved Bane. I didn't think bane was down there with her in the first place. Makes a lot more sense now.

+1

[J.D]

The Flowers of War (2011)

Really tragic film, very sad and one where characters have hope despite a horrific predicament. The film is about the Japanese soldiers brutality towards the Chinese therefore is not for the faint- hearted. If you are a sensitive person avoid this film, it is fantastic in informing us of bravery and telling a truth that needed to be told but there are scenes of torture and rape that are sickening. Christian Bale stars in a predominantly Asian cast in a truly heartbreaking film.

7.5/10


The Goon (2011)

Stupid, goofy, ridiculous but surprisingly funny in places and somewhat sweet. Bonus points because Sons of Anarchy's Tig is in it. If you like ice hockey and find Seann William Scott funny you can't really dislike it.

7/10

Shame (2011)

Michael Fassbender is pretty much incredible in this gritty film about sex addiction. The film is less concerned about his past focusing instead on his present. He is a sex addict, it doesn't matter how he got that way. What matters is how it affects him now, he can't go to work without jacking off in the men's room, his laptop at work gets a virus because of his porn addiction, he meets a girl who is potential girlfriend material but can't get an erection as he can't commit to anything that involves emotions and he frequents seedy clubs and bars looking for sex in his spare time. His sister (Carey Mulligan) comes to stay at his and she is troubled in her own ways and in ways similar to our protagonist.
I honestly thought this film was tackled excellently and visually it looks stunning. One scene sees Fassbender go on a jog through the neon lit city and it is just a tremendous cinematic achievement to watch such a mundane thing.
Definitely not for everyone, to be honest I can see some people fucking hating this film. I thought it was brave and it kept me hooked throughout despite not knowing the direction it would take. You can watch this one with a girlfriend but definitely don't rent it out for any first/second dates or dates with a girl you are not fully comfortable with or she might think your a bit of a wrong'un 

9.5/10

[RyPrax]

The Flowers of War (2011)

Really tragic film, very sad and one where characters have hope despite a horrific predicament. The film is about the Japanese soldiers brutality towards the Chinese therefore is not for the faint- hearted. If you are a sensitive person avoid this film, it is fantastic in informing us of bravery and telling a truth that needed to be told but there are scenes of torture and rape that are sickening. Christian Bale stars in a predominantly Asian cast in a truly heartbreaking film.

7.5/10


The Goon (2011)

Stupid, goofy, ridiculous but surprisingly funny in places and somewhat sweet. Bonus points because Sons of Anarchy's Tig is in it. If you like ice hockey and find Seann William Scott funny you can't really dislike it.

7/10

Shame (2011)

Michael Fassbender is pretty much incredible in this gritty film about sex addiction. The film is less concerned about his past focusing instead on his present. He is a sex addict, it doesn't matter how he got that way. What matters is how it affects him now, he can't go to work without jacking off in the men's room, his laptop at work gets a virus because of his porn addiction, he meets a girl who is potential girlfriend material but can't get an erection as he can't commit to anything that involves emotions and he frequents seedy clubs and bars looking for sex in his spare time. His sister (Carey Mulligan) comes to stay at his and she is troubled in her own ways and in ways similar to our protagonist.
I honestly thought this film was tackled excellently and visually it looks stunning. One scene sees Fassbender go on a jog through the neon lit city and it is just a tremendous cinematic achievement to watch such a mundane thing.
Definitely not for everyone, to be honest I can see some people fucking hating this film. I thought it was brave and it kept me hooked throughout despite not knowing the direction it would take. You can watch this one with a girlfriend but definitely don't rent it out for any first/second dates or dates with a girl you are not fully comfortable with or she might think your a bit of a wrong'un 

9.5/10

I bet you just watched Shame because you heard Michael Fassbender shows his mammoth dick