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Has Hulk Hogan tarnished his legacy?
« on: 16 June 2008, 05:02:03 AM »
First off I would like to say...welcome home mayhemers :D.

Now this is a question that has been buggin' my mind for a while. Has Hulk Hogan Tarnished his Legacy as being of one of the all time favorite wrestlers?

Why do I ask? Well let's recall some of the past events that has happened in his personal life since his reality show "Hogan Knows Best".

- He is caught messing around on his wife
-He gets a divorce
-His son goes to prison for wrecking a car that was in Hogan's name and causing Nick's friend John Graziano to basically be a vegetable for the remainder of his life.
-Is caught having a phone convo with Nick asking "what John did to deserve what God has done to him" only to have Nick to respond by saying "John was always a negative person".

Now, to answer my own question...Yes I think that Hogan has tarnished his own legacy just by having that minute long convo with his son.

I wouldn't say that his whole legacy has went crumbling because despite what has happened recently, you can't deny what he has done for Pro Wrestling itself.

But what I will say is that I cannot respect him the same way I once did. Instead of teaching his son a lesson about what he has done, he puts all the blame on God for teaching John a lesson.Hogan is blaming God for what happened to John when it was his son who had been drinking, his son that was speeding, and his son that was deemed responsible for the wreck . That is absolutely digusting and sickening. And to think,  this man was once considered an American Hero by millions of wrestling fans around the world.

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« Reply #1 on: 16 June 2008, 05:33:15 AM »
Dude... you beat me to it, lol, I would've posted before you but I got distracted :P. Although I don't think this belongs in the WWE section.

Whether to answer the specific question about whether he's tarnished his legacy... I don't think so. I still mark out for all the things he used to do. That was then, this is now.

And to go down the list of things you mentioned:

a) He and his wife are separated and she's dating one of Brooke's Classmates.

b) The divorce, in my opinion, is either staged or completely of Linda's doing.

c) So just because the car was in Hogan's name, that tarnishes his legacy because his son crashed the car? If, say, Ted Dibiase Jr. got a DUI, does that tarnish Ted Dibiase Sr.'s name because he's his son and is using his name? it's easy to turn this on hulk, but the fact is Nick had his licence, the driving conditions were proven to be less than ideal, and his friend was an adult and a war veteran that was old enough to make the judgement calls of whether they should've been drinking or not and whether Nick should've been driving or not. Hulk can't follow his son around 24/7.

d) He didn't get "caught" in that conversation, it was taped, as were all his conversations with Nick in prison, as per state law. They were illegally leaked to the press, and they were snipped and modified to make it sound like Hogan is some sort of the monster.

The fact of the matter is, when you're son's in prison, and on top of that he's a minor and in solitary confinement (which is just wrong. Frankly he shouldn't be in prison at all), you tell him whatever he wants to hear. It's not time to start giving him life lessons and lectures, the dude might go off himself at night if he hears his dad berating him for a comment.

The fact is you don't know Hogan beyond what you've seen of his character on TV. You don't know Nick beyond what you've seen of him on his reality show. And you certainly don't know John Grazianno and what kind of character he had. So basically, you don't know if he was a negative person or not, and you don't even know what hogan meant by negative, because the conversation was snipped from a longer 2 hour convo.

It's easy to turns these things against them when you ignore like 95% of the story.


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« Reply #2 on: 16 June 2008, 05:50:16 AM »
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c) So just because the car was in Hogan's name, that tarnishes his legacy because his son crashed the car? If, say, Ted Dibiase Jr. got a DUI, does that tarnish Ted Dibiase Sr.'s name because he's his son and is using his name? it's easy to turn this on hulk, but the fact is Nick had his licence, the driving conditions were proven to be less than ideal, and his friend was an adult and a war veteran that was old enough to make the judgement calls of whether they should've been drinking or not and whether Nick should've been driving or not. Hulk can't follow his son around 24/7.


But Ted Jr. didn't didn't almost kill somone.... So that is totally irrelavant...

But besides that me and Prax had a long talk about this the other night and I wasn't sure where I sat on this subject. But the more I thought about it the more I realized that Hulk hasn't tarnished his legacy. I mean just because he got a divorce, his son almost killed somebody and his Ultimate Grill got recalled doesn't tarnish his legacy.. This kind of stuff (maybe not the grill recall) happens to people everyday around the world. It is just a bad streak of luck plain and simple, not to mention the Hogan's are under a microscope due to there popularity... Hogan will rebound plain and simple because all the HULK-A-MANIACS ARE PULLING FOR HIM BROTHER!

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« Reply #3 on: 16 June 2008, 07:02:44 AM »
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c) So just because the car was in Hogan's name, that tarnishes his legacy because his son crashed the car? If, say, Ted Dibiase Jr. got a DUI, does that tarnish Ted Dibiase Sr.'s name because he's his son and is using his name? it's easy to turn this on hulk, but the fact is Nick had his licence, the driving conditions were proven to be less than ideal, and his friend was an adult and a war veteran that was old enough to make the judgement calls of whether they should've been drinking or not and whether Nick should've been driving or not. Hulk can't follow his son around 24/7.


I wasn't blaming Hulk for Nicks faults at all if that is where you were getting to.
I was simply blaming him for what he had supposedly said on the tape.

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d) He didn't get "caught" in that conversation, it was taped, as were all his conversations with Nick in prison, as per state law. They were illegally leaked to the press, and they were snipped and modified to make it sound like Hogan is some sort of the monster.


Well my bad. He was illegaly taped in the convo not caught. Bad choice of wording on that one

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The fact of the matter is, when you're son's in prison, and on top of that he's a minor and in solitary confinement (which is just wrong. Frankly he shouldn't be in prison at all), you tell him whatever he wants to hear. It's not time to start giving him life lessons and lectures, the dude might go off himself at night if he hears his dad berating him for a comment.


I thought the was 18?

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The fact is you don't know Hogan beyond what you've seen of his character on TV. You don't know Nick beyond what you've seen of him on his reality show. And you certainly don't know John Grazianno and what kind of character he had. So basically, you don't know if he was a negative person or not, and you don't even know what hogan meant by negative, because the conversation was snipped from a longer 2 hour convo.


You're right. I don't know Hulk, Nick, or John from a can of paint. Now that I think about it they could of meant negative as in "he was the one that got nick to drink and drive" sort of thing.

While opening this discussion, I totally had forgot that Hogan appeared on Larry King not to long ago and I decided to watch it. Watching it changed my oppion a bit.

Sometimes when you are so wrapped up in things that are happening in other peoples lives, you can totally forget how certain people (the media) can control things and make you think otherwise. Frankly I was one of those people who forgot lol.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #4 on: 16 June 2008, 04:06:53 PM »
It's the same reason why George Bush is portrayed to be semi-retarded... the dude is president. He's just a below average public speaker is all. But the media doesn't like him or his policies so they make him look like an idiot. I'm not saying he's a genius but I hope you get what I mean.

And the same applies to hogan.. they make him out to be some sort of monster but he's really just trying to keep his family together. The media's had enough of him so they're trying to off him socially.

It's sad, really.


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« Reply #5 on: 16 June 2008, 04:57:42 PM »
Sorry for the double post but dale brought this to my attention. I hope this turns some people's opinions.

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_audio/061608_graziano_voicemail_v2.mp3


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« Reply #6 on: 18 June 2008, 03:33:31 PM »
look at this point hogan is one of the most unprofesional people in the buisness
he cant look after his personal life and in the wrestling industry hes got more heat with people than anyone else

1. he refuses to lose to any one who needs a puch (ntable he was supposed to lose to hbk then come back later and win another match but refused)

2. he always wants to prove he is better than the buisness ( at summerslam he moned because his match was only mid card and HE wanted the main event were as flair and hbk were offerd the main event at mainia but flair said that the title is more important)

so in the end hogan is an egomainiac, unprofecianal and dousnt even deserve to come back to wwe if hes gonna be this way
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« Reply #7 on: 18 June 2008, 04:33:57 PM »
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look at this point hogan is one of the most unprofesional people in the buisness
he cant look after his personal life and in the wrestling industry hes got more heat with people than anyone else

1. he refuses to lose to any one who needs a puch (ntable he was supposed to lose to hbk then come back later and win another match but refused)

2. he always wants to prove he is better than the buisness ( at summerslam he moned because his match was only mid card and HE wanted the main event were as flair and hbk were offerd the main event at mainia but flair said that the title is more important)

so in the end hogan is an egomainiac, unprofecianal and dousnt even deserve to come back to wwe if hes gonna be this way


Thing is... he IS (or at least was) bigger than the business. Last time he came back he got the monster pop that only he could get. He's the biggest draw in wrestling history, the first guy to successfully foray into the entertainment business, etc etc. Along with the Rock (even though I hate to say it), he's one of only 2 guys that could truly say they're bigger than the business.

Yes it's egotistical, but what's true is true whether you like it not. If any of us were in the position he was in, we'd do the same thing. Forget that Flair and HBK refused the main event, that was wrestlemania, the only WM who's main event didn't involve a championship match was the 1st one, and the champ was in that match. It's not the same thing. Summerslam is different and that match was deserving of the main event based on who was in it.

He's looking out for #1 and for his family, and we'd all do the same thing.

But regardless of that, I don't thnk that's the question being asked in this thread... it's whether what's happening now with his family has tarnished the legacy he built in WWE.


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« Reply #8 on: 18 June 2008, 10:45:22 PM »
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Thing is... he IS (or at least was) bigger than the business. Last time he came back he got the monster pop that only he could get. He's the biggest draw in wrestling history, the first guy to successfully foray into the entertainment business, etc etc. Along with the Rock (even though I hate to say it), he's one of only 2 guys that could truly say they're bigger than the business.

Yes it's egotistical, but what's true is true whether you like it not. If any of us were in the position he was in, we'd do the same thing. Forget that Flair and HBK refused the main event, that was wrestlemania, the only WM who's main event didn't involve a championship match was the 1st one, and the champ was in that match. It's not the same thing. Summerslam is different and that match was deserving of the main event based on who was in it.

He's looking out for #1 and for his family, and we'd all do the same thing.

But regardless of that, I don't thnk that's the question being asked in this thread... it's whether what's happening now with his family has tarnished the legacy he built in WWE.


Hogan as a wrestler is probably one of the biggest Icons in pro wrestling history, Hogan spanned decades in the wwe and made them a hell of alot of money main eventing for them

He was the one reason wrestling crossed off into the main stream media in the 80's and the whole Rock and wrestling genre happened

But.....

As a parent myself, Hogan did a hell of a lot of damage to his family with the Hogan Knows best show, he braught them into the spotlight and made his daughter and Son believe there untouchable.....

From what i understand Hogan made the first move in the divorce by cheating on his now estranged wife

Has Hogan tarnished his legacy...No

Simple reason anyone and everyone who loved Gogan will not see him as a Chris Benoit, IMO due to the fact that what happened was partly Nicks fault and not the fault of his father but I do believe as a human being Hogan should never have allowed his son to drive that car or go drag racing in something he couldnt handle

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« Reply #9 on: 22 June 2008, 02:17:02 PM »
rite the way i look at it is Hogan has "tarnished" his reputation out side of the wrestling world. He is no longer the face of a whole Sport/Company/Industry.
 
he no longer has a clean reputation for saying preys taking vitamens and being mr good and his name has been dragged through the mud by the press in america.
 
so companies and people looking to offer him work will look differentley at him now he wont be the face of kids toy's or sweats he wont be asked to realise a new grill or a toaster as people outside the industry wont want to buy it
 
but this means nothing for his legacy as a wrestler he is the biggest name to come out of Wrestling, he made the company what it is sod it he made the whole damn industey what it is he made it the show it is now and when ever he come's back he will get a bigger pop then anyone else could ever get.