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Title: Pittsburgh Penguins' Arron Asham's tribute to CM Punk!
Post by: Rhymin' Greiman on 15 October 2011, 03:36:53 AM
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On Thursday night, Arron Asham of the Pittsburgh Penguins had the most memorable KO of the young NHL season in a fight with Jay Beagle of the Washington Capitals, as he punched the Caps forward twice in the face to send him to the ice in the third period. Beagle was bloodied, dazed and eventually yanked his own tooth out before heading to the locker room.

As repulsive as the aftermath was, some found Asham's reaction to the fight just as disgusting: Sliding his hands in front of him to signal a knockout (like an umpire declaring a base runner "safe"); and then putting his hands together as a pillow and placing his head down, ala wrestling star CM Punk's "Go To Sleep" motion.

Said Alex Ovechkin after the game: "It's not [Beagle's] job to fight. It looked kind of unrespectful [sic]. I don't know … I think it's kind of unrespectful."

Said Capitals defenseman Karl Alzner to the Washington Times:

    "It doesn't surprise me. I'm not surprised by a lot of things that happened. [Media relations director] Sergey [Kocharov] should probably listen to me talk here before I go stupid. Just some of the comments by their fans and stuff is just unbelievable. It's classless. But I know that happens in fights. It's really crappy to see. Have some class a little bit, ya know?"

When asked about the controversy following the Penguins' 3-2 OT loss to the Capitals, Asham … agreed with Alzner, actually.

That in the heat of the moment, in front of a crowd of rabid fans in a rivalry game, he did something he regrets in hindsight. Via Root Sports, Asham said:

    "It's unfortunate the way the fight ended. I obviously want to win but I don't want to go out there and hurt anyone. My gestures after it was done … I was into the game. It was uncalled for, classless on my part. I think that those guys over there know that I'm not that kind of guy to be going off.

    "But it was a big game. I wanted to get my bench going. Classless move on my part."

His coach, Dan Bylsma, believed Asham said all he needed to say. "I think Arron's comments are spot on," he said after the game. "It was the heat of the moment. Emotions got the best of him. He wishes he could have them back. He stuck up for a teammate but I don't think anybody liked what ensued after that."

Now, the NHL generally frowns upon taunting. It threatened the Bruins and Canucks for the Burrows-inspired finger waving in the Stanley Cup Final. Before the 2010-11 season, it spelled out its taunting policy in a video to players:

    "Any identifiable player who uses obscene, profane or abusive language or gestures directed at any person runs the risk of an unsportsmanlike penalty and possible supplemental discipline."

Hence some of the hand-wringing over Asham. Is self-identifying classless behavior enough to avoid any potential discipline from the league?

I say HELL YEAH personally.... As a Penguins fan, as a CM Punk fan.... it's awesome!

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Title: Re: Pittsburgh Penguins' Arron Asham's tribute to CM Punk!
Post by: RyPrax on 15 October 2011, 03:50:45 AM
The dude took a non-fighter and dropped him in a pool of his own blood before he proceeded to taunt him for no reason. There's nothing awesome about that. Beagle had to be helped off the ice. Asham knows he made a mistake, and he plays for the wrong organization if he's going got do that shit. If you're a Pens fan then you should know they have taken a BIG stand against this kind of shit since Matt Cooke was in the news every week last year/.
Title: Re: Pittsburgh Penguins' Arron Asham's tribute to CM Punk!
Post by: Rhymin' Greiman on 15 October 2011, 04:04:00 AM
It's a sport that allows fighting.... sure I don't follow it as much as most people that claim to be fans but it's to my understanding that anyone on the ice could be involved in a fight.  If this guy wasn't known for fighting then to me that's like saying you want to play football but you don't want to get tackled hard or be forced into any sort of contact.  Again, not the biggest hockey fan in the world, just stating my two cents on a sport that openly allows fighting during a game.

(I'm clearly American)

EDIT:

From everything that I've read and seen on this fight, it looked to be clearly initiated by Beagle.  Beagle took a cheap shot at Letang then ripped off his helmet after he was pushed into the boards by Letang.  Asham jawed at him then Beagle made a bee-line for him and dropped the gloves.  He took a cheap shot, started the fight, then got his ass knocked out.
Title: Re: Pittsburgh Penguins' Arron Asham's tribute to CM Punk!
Post by: RyPrax on 15 October 2011, 06:11:14 PM
It's a sport that allows fighting.... sure I don't follow it as much as most people that claim to be fans but it's to my understanding that anyone on the ice could be involved in a fight.  If this guy wasn't known for fighting then to me that's like saying you want to play football but you don't want to get tackled hard or be forced into any sort of contact.  Again, not the biggest hockey fan in the world, just stating my two cents on a sport that openly allows fighting during a game.

(I'm clearly American)

EDIT:

From everything that I've read and seen on this fight, it looked to be clearly initiated by Beagle.  Beagle took a cheap shot at Letang then ripped off his helmet after he was pushed into the boards by Letang.  Asham jawed at him then Beagle made a bee-line for him and dropped the gloves.  He took a cheap shot, started the fight, then got his ass knocked out.

Fighting is a 5 minute major penalty and when a fight happens the play stops. So technically it's not part of the game  or allowed "during the game", and there's growing resistance to letting them fight. It's really not at all like getting tackled in football, because it's a role assigned to certain players more than anyone. It's more like asking a place kicker to play linebacker.

And how is taking a shot at Letang initiating a fight with Asham? Asham was defending his fellow player, that's fine, but when someone makes a b-line at you the "code" forces you to drop the gloves. That doesn't make it right though.

It's just funny. The league is taking a stance against illegal hits to the head, that tend to cause concussions and other injuries. Yet, a direct punch to the head of a player that has absolutely nothing to do with the game itself is still allowed. It's sort of ridiculous and backwards.
Title: Re: Pittsburgh Penguins' Arron Asham's tribute to CM Punk!
Post by: Rhymin' Greiman on 15 October 2011, 07:52:34 PM
FYI: When I said it was awesome I was actually talking about the GTS signal, I don't condone anyone getting their ass kicked unless it happens in a ring.

I know you follow the sport quite well so I will ask the same question I ask all my hockey friends:  Should fighting be outlawed completely?  Should fighting be allowed in other organized sports?  How does the fighting aspect teach young fans about sportsmanship?

For all we know Asham saw that Letang took a cheap shot, had a Sidney Crosby flashback, and wanted to protect one of their best defenders from getting injured.  I'm sure Kris could have handled the situation himself but for some reason Arron thought it was his duty to make sure nobody else got taken out by a cheap shot, especially from their already heated rivals in the Caps.  I for one hope their next game is televised to where I can watch it, because you know it's going to be intense.
Title: Re: Pittsburgh Penguins' Arron Asham's tribute to CM Punk!
Post by: RyPrax on 19 October 2011, 08:20:43 PM
Brandon Dubinsky vs Kevin Bieksa Oct 18, 2011 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwu93kLlu5s#ws)

Fuck it, I take it back. That was hilarious lol